Topic: Cool Lindbergh Discovery In A Very Unexpected Place
So, I mostly specialize in Vintage tobacco and Gum cards and really don't heavily collect Autos unless they have some special "Got it in person" vibe to them. But recently I have been visiting Estate Sales and I purchased a small collection of WWII Letters. In one of the envelopes I found a bunch of rolled up bills, or currency notes that were all taped together. I took these to a coin dealer and he told me they were all ruined because of the tape. He offered me like ten or twelve bucks for the lot of them (there were like 25-30 of them) I said I would keep them try and remove the tape and stick them in a binder for my collection.
Anyways, I was able to separate the bills about 80% with no damage at all to the bills. And as I was going through the bills in the interior of the roll I noticed they were signed by various ppl, apparently known as short snorters and the sigs were from airmen during WWII. As I studied the names I discovered that one of the sigs was none other then Charles A. Lindbergh...I thought it is pretty cool, sometimes you never know what you got.
One question, who authenticates historical items like this? Do I even need to have it authenticated if I want to put it on ebay? I know auto photos of sports stars are often forged and need COA's but what about historical documents and things like the short snorter I found. I know its not a replica sig, and defintitely looks like the examples of his sig I have researched online.
Here is the Snorter: [img]http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc434/tolstoi1/lindberghshortsnorter.jpg[/img]
I am not sure how to add pics to a post on this forum yet, any advice?
Congratulations on having the only Charles A. Lindbergh signed Short Snorter that I have ever seen. Having several examples of forgeries in my archives, this is the first example that I can truly call authentic.
Charles did not drink nor socialize in bars so having a Short Snorter signed by him is extremely rare. The signature is a spot on match to the period. I used a 1948 authentic Lindbergh autograph in archives to authenticate yours. Knowing Charles as I do, I was very skeptical.
Joe, you have a real treasure and I have a copy in my Authentic Lindbergh Archives for future reference thanks to you.
Thank you for posting to the Lindbergh Forum.
Daniel J. Clemons, Autograph Authenticator and Consultant to Reeve Lindbergh, Manager Lindbergh Literary, LLC
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I see that you are continuing to be the kind gracious person I met six years ago, when I asked you to authenticate a signed C.A.L. envelope. My experience with you, was so positive, that I started collecting Lindbergh memorabilia and ephemera, America's first true celebrity. I almost concluded that Celebrity "kills", and believe that following C.A.L's horrific tragedy and loss of his son, his moving to Europe and reclusive behavior was a conditioned and reasonable response to all that had happened to him. Of note, was that Neil Armstrong, THE most famous of astronauts, who was an admirer of C.A.L, and in many ways did as C.A.L. did, in response to fame and "celebrityhood".
As for my "passion", I did find an acquire a Daum SOSL plane after you alerted me to it, and it is indeed, a beauty! (Although I highly doubt many wives would want it in their China cabinet.) There does seem to be dirth of Lindbergh memorabilia on eBay of late.
Is there a Southern California convention that has a Linbergh component? or anywhere? It seems there are fewer and fewer chances to buy items, even on-line. Perhaps we are nearing the end of available collectable items.
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Congratulations on finding a Daum crystal Spirit of St. Louis. I did find out a couple of things about it. A person in New York told me that 250 was the minimum order and they thought only 250 were ever made. Most were shipped to New York and many arrived broken and were distorted. They initially sold for $1,000 and were sold in Jewelry stores. The Ryan Company bought many for retiring executives. I have two in my collection and intend to keep both in the family. It is a true family heirloom and probably one of the best CAL collectibles you can find. You are very lucky to have one.
The CAL Collectors Society has not been active for some time. The problem was no one wanted to volunteer to write the newsletter. I need to ask Doug Studer if this is still the case today. I'm pretty sure it is. Some of the best Symposiums were held in San Diego. One of the best events we ever did was a bus tour of all the Lindbergh sites, where he lived during the building of the Spirit of St. Louuis, a tour of the factory where it was built. The railroad tracks in front of the building are still there. We cruised down Barnette Avenue where the Spirit of St. Louis first flew. I have a picture of all of us standing near the runway a Mira Mar where the Spirit of St. Louis was tested. Bill Allen still has one of the largest collections. I have some interesting pieces in my collection one of which is a beautiful bronze bust of Charles that looks just like him. Stunning. Someday, I will figure out how to post pictures to the forum and post some pictures of our collection.
I remember fondly of you to Craig. How about volunteering to do the newsletter? I think you would be just the person to do that!!
With warm wishes,
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Dan: This is William Moyers, in St. Paul. I hope all is well with you. I've tried to email you but I don't think I have an accurate address. Do you know if Barry Friedman is selling his CAL collection. I heard that he is but cannot reach him.
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Thanks again for your kind reply, and as always filled with information and insights, I could only get from someone with your knowledge and background.
As for volunteering to do a newsletter, I believe that this would be of a time commitment and knowledge base of Lindy that far exceeds my capabilities. Other than this website and forum, do you have a link that you could provide examples of?
As to the Daum piece, I was fortunate to buy it with a "defect" on eBay, and was fortunate to buy it for $400 uncontested. Its defect was that the propeller and cowling (one piece) had become detached from the fuselage. I wasn't intimidated by this, and knowing from you, how rare these were, I grabbed it. I used industrial strength clear airplane glue, and after sanding the end of the fuselage I positioned the prop at the proper angle, per other photos of undamaged pieces and ended up with one that is almost pristine, except for the most minor traces of glue around the edge of the cowling. I'm very fastidious about such things and planned this for close to an hour to insure that there would be little to no overglue, and yet enough to hold the prop and cowling securely. I've had the piece for several years now, and it remains secure and the centerpiece of my SOSL plane collections. My 2nd favorite is an amber candy fuselage and its tin wing and wheels attachment, and 3rd favorite is what looks to be a pewter or pot metal plane that is meant to be attached to the hood, with a larger propeller set to spin like a windmill when the car approaches highway speeds.
That tour that was arranged in San Diego sounds great. If ever there is something that you know of that comes about at the local museum, please let me know. I would happily drive down from Orange County to attend, especially if I knew you were going to be in attendance. Lunch would be on me!